APWU Web News Article 69-2012, June 4, 2012
The APWU has engaged in informal conversations with the Postal Service about financial incentives for retirements and separations, but no official offers have been made or discussed, union President Cliff Guffey reports.
“We expect the Postal Service to make a formal request to negotiate over early-outs and incentives after several other outstanding issues have been addressed,” he said.
APWU members will be notified of developments. For the latest information, visit www.apwu.org
Even with 1 1/2 years to go I get a woody over the thought of leaving early.
YOUR NOT GONNA GET ANY MORE THAN THE MAILHANDLERS. QUIT DREAMING. AND IF YOU HAVE TO GO TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU BETTER STAY HERE. IT ‘S NO BETTER ANY WHERE ELSE.
Shhhh , I heard there gonna give us $50,000 and 3 yrs. the 1st of the year. Shhhh :}
We are all grateful for our jobs, the issue here is getting shafted by the union!
I appreciate that Guffey is trying to get clerk jobs back but this is not the correct way.
Also, some offices are nicer to work in than others. In the plants you have choices if you have enough seniority. In small offices, you are stuck.
midwest clerk, the only thing smart about Guppy is his rear end.
iT’S ALL MESSED UP. SERIOUSLY OFFER 20.000 TO THE DEVILS SPAWN WHO HAS RAPED THEM FOR YEARS. GUARANTEE YOU THAT THE OFFER TO THE CLERKS WONT BE SHIT. AFTER TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY WILL TAKE OUT IT’S ONLY CHUMP CHANGE. TAKE YOUR DANGLING CARROT AND SHOVE IT IN YOUR LYING PIE HOLE.
Yeah…..informal talks….that’s the ticket. Apease the angry masses with illusions of VERA which Goofey will not entertain until he bows out this August with his APWU Officer Retirement Plan which was funded by…you guessed it – your dues!
Until then, lets talk…informally, of course!
RAY DOGG, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID. 39 YEARS NOVEMBER FIRST AND OUT I GO. THE POST OFFICE HAS BEEN GOOD TO THIS HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE.
mailhandlers got early out first becaues they have no contract.apwu has no say in vera offer. if they did like contract i would kill myself before l let them have a say in my retirement
Ray Dogg is the first post that I read that actually made sense and I read them all… No one ever forced anyone to work or stay at work for the USPS… I has been and still is a good place to work….Don’t like it then leave… I also have over 35 years in and I feel exactly as Ray Dogg does… Yes, things were better in the past but technology changed the way mail is utilized… Adapt to the change or find another job.. I bet you can’t and won’t find a job as good as what you now have….
Ray Dogg , I agree with you about how the Post Office has been a good steady solid job through the years and most of the years have been great. It seems that since the last couple of years it has been a nightmare to work there, like the bosses went to a seminar on how to harass workers or something. Can’t wait to go now. Life is too short to be so stressed out all the time.
Im already moving on to retirement Seo 1. 38 years is enough for me and I want to thank the PO for a wonderful career and for feeding my family for years. You got my kids thru college and paid all of my medical bills. It aint always been easy but this job was better than most. All of you whinebags can go sweat it out on a roof or in a field and see what real work is all about. Once again thank you Postal Service for a wonderful career.
I think that most of us that are eligible to retire are so freakin sick of this negotiation bullshit……I believe many…many people will go with just $15000, because there is probably not a snowball’s chance in hell, that in yrs to follow, there will be ANY offers!
APWU is more concerned about losing it’s members dues. A generous early out means many dues paying members retire, means alot of dues lost. They don’t care about you. They care about your dues.
Hope the APWU remembers that Maint is a part of the Union and gets us a VERA too. Tired of getting left out.
On March 21, 2012, in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Edward Kozusko, former Treasurer of American Postal Workers Union (APWU) Local 443 (located in Youngstown, Ohio), pled guilty to one count of embezzlement in the amount of $12,613.20. The plea follows an investigation by the OLMS Cleveland District Office.
It would be silly for any APWU member to leave now. APWU is hurting and would suffer financial collapse if even 10% left. After all we did for you!
With this in mind, APWU will negotiate a VERA that no one in their right mind will take. This way they won’t vote me out for not having negotiated one. Meantime, I’ll make sure I gets my portion from the APWU Offricer Retirement Plan that your dues paid for. Thanks Suckers!
Pass the corn flakes….please.
12/21/2012 is getting closer
The 50 mile excess radius disappears when the PO says it has done everything possible to keep the excessing within that 50 miles. After that, anything goes. Do you think Donahoe cares ? Not too smart in my book.
You clerks are a joke. The PMG can only offer you want the OPM allows him too. $25 ,000 is the max no years of service added. Your union has no say in it at all. I believe the delay was due to OPM unable to handle a few thousand more retirement applications.Believe me you can be excess more than fifty miles. Fifty miles is the starting point. You are unhappy with your contract which you voted for. Buyer beware!! We have a congress who does not care about federal employees. If they had their way there would be no early out but layoffs.They have the power to change our contracts.
Mr Guffey is just playing all his members for suckers, as he tries to use a delayed incentive offer as his bargaining tool to get something he wants or something that he thinks will make him look good! Mr Guffey just needs to get out of the way and accept any incentive offer he can get from USPS and accept it now! He’s no John Gottie and he can’t demand that USPS offer anything or think he can get special treatment by holding the incentive offer hostage to his demands! He is just grandstanding and I suspect or fear he may just shuttle any offer from USPS just to make himself look good! If this happens, he can kiss his job goodbuy as he couldn’t win an election for dogchatcher!!! And, to all thoughs who think we can negociate for $25K, are you crazy as the PO is broke and they can easily just blame the Union ( or Mr Goofey ) for the lack of any incentive offer!!
Just get out of the way Mr C Guffey!!!
Guffy is negotiating from a position of strength on this issue. The PO wants to close offices and has all those Clerks with nowhere to put them. 50 mile excessing radius in APWU contract limits that as well. So Guffy is basically telling Donahoe that if he wants the APWU’s help in making Donahoe’s job easier, he better abide by the new contract and make a good offer on early outs. Smart.
If they pay for my sex change operation I’ll go.
Mr. Guffey must not want a second term. He’s not only pissing off the older clerks that would take the incentive, but the younger ones that would not have been excessed if some of the older ones would have retired. Couple that with the terrible contract he shoved on us and he has lost a lot of supporters. Settle the contract disputes with the natural course of things and stop holding members HOSTAGE !!!
are they going to exclude maintinance again?
years of service X $1000….if you want a serious reduction of force
Sir Woodrow
Guffey will not discuss buyouts until certain work is given back to the clerk craft.
The clerk craft is a bargaining chip. Telling people to wait on retirement is an effort to keep the pressure on the PMG.
Aloha Leadership folks:
What worked for me may work for you. When my eldest son decided to enter Marquette University in the mid ’90s I informed him that I would pay for one half of his education. He graduated with honors so I kept my promise and paid one half of what was owed, approximately twenty five thousand dollars. He now makes two hundred and fifty thousand dollars per year plus bonus. If you pay us one half of what we make per year plus one half of the TCOLA that we receive I believe all postal employees within the State of Hawaii will leave by July 4th. Ah! Within four years you’ll also save two hundred and fifty thousand dollars per employee as we’ll be gone.
Congress said PO should offer $25K, then it must be $25k. Why so cheap?
In Donahoe’s latest video, he said that notices would be mailed out to the employees affected by the Phase 1 consolidations. They were mailed out on the week of May 21st. He also said that there would be incentives on the table to help employees make their decision on what they want to do (retire, quit, move, accept buyout, etc). Then, the incentives were announced for the mailhandlers. So, does this mean that no clerks will be affected by the Phase 1 consolidations, since there were no incentives for them? Something doesn’t add up here, Can someone explain this?
Also, Guffy put out a letter about 3 weeks ago, saying that it would be “silly” for anyone to retire right now before we see if an incentive or buyout is announced. This gives you the impression that incentives are currently being negotiated. Then we find out that he wasn’t even at the table at all. Did he just want to give “false hope” just so that we wouldn’t retire and keep paying union dues? Somebody help me on this, please.
25K and 5 years to service, Dreaming!!!!!!!!
Show me the money & I`m gone. They are going to close our facility anyway because they think they can process our mail in Phila. Hell, they can`t even get their own mail out of there on time.
they make it harder for a reason. kcco
If it is 15K then forget it, don’t waste your time or breath. No one will leave, only the ones that we going to go anyway, and in that case it will still be a waste of money because that is not an incentive, it is a gimme as they head out the door anyway. One years salary up front or 25K and 2yrs added to CSRS service. No less or I’m staying another 2 years and collect all the raises.
$25k and 2 years…. 100,000 would go…. saving the post office.
$15k won’t cut it.
JUST GET ME OUT OF THIS MESS. EVERYDAY IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO PUT UP WITH THE BULLSHIT THAT GOES ON. WORKING FOR THE POST OFFICE IS LIKE WORKING FOR THE ENEMY. I WILL GLADLY TAKE THE 15,000 AND RUN TO THE EXIT JUST TO GET OUT!!!!
OK OK GIVE ME 1 YEAR SALARY AND I WILL GO QUIETLY,THEN CLOSE
DOWN THE PO AND START ALL OVER.
THATS WHAT WILL WORK
None of seriously think you are going to be “offered” more than postmasters or the mail handlers, do you? This reminds me of the Sears Christmas Wish Book. Hell, why wish for 2 years added, why not 10? Ain’t a gonna happen. I’ve got the WTID retirement plan; Work Til I Die. With 32 years, I ain’t ready for no pay cut.
25 gees up front, tax free po pays them, this will help retirees survive while retirement wages are up to date. still a long list of retirees waiting for full pay. simply no screwing around and people will leave. plain and simple.
what is with this split incentive payment, half in 6 monthand the other half in a yr and a half. if they are counting on money saved, i doubt it. service will get worse and more losses will pile up even more. another dumb-ass plan, buyer beware.
i think i’m being lied to….again. when stories broke a while back saying
guffey was the delay in the clerks getting an early out offer, our local apwu
president informed us that guffey had nothing to do with the usps offering
an early out to clerks and that the usps didn’t negotiate early outs with guffey or
the apwu. hmmm. now this article clearly states that the apwu expects the
usps to make “… a formal offer to negotiate over early outs.” so sick of people
pissing on my leg and telling me its raining. i used to expect to be lied to from
the management of the u s postal service, but lately i can’t believe a word
from the local or nat’l apwu either. looks like we are in this alone people.
after recent events, i sure as hell don’t trust the apwu to have my back.
This is the best news I’ve heard in a long long time, just make the offer and show me the money. It’s funny how all of these articles that are generated by the PO say that they have been in negoiations with the APWU about early retirements and incentive buyouts, and then when you go to the APWU website it says that the PO has no attempt to negotiate an early out for clerks. So will go to the APWU web and see if this is indeed their side of the story as well. We have all been thinking how dumb it is to offer to Postmasters and Mail Handlers first since there are soooo many fewer of them than Clerks. If they really wanted to reduce their numbers, then they must offer to Clerks. Again, I say show me the money, I’m gone by the end of this year anyway, but would love to go earlier, show me the money.
25k and 2 years or shove it up your you know what
Guffy,
Please just file some sort of violation of contract and quit holding the members as hostages!
Zellmer—-If your financial advisor is telling you to work as long as possible, I would get a new advisor. Think about it.
When financial advisers are telling you to work as long as you possibly can, you would be a fool to take anything less than 25,000-and that’s probably not worth taking when you can earn that in a relatively short amount of time and increase your retirement benefit.
Crap ! you mean another 15K ? I won’t retire, let Donuthole files chapter 11.
We want 25000 up front and no less the po has the money look at all the pse’s they have hired nationwide where is this money coming from we don’t want to wait for our money Show us the money¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So far so good guys.We haven’t heard that infamous “WIN WIN” from Mr Guffey.