Congressmen Darrell Issa and Dennis Ross’ amendment to its Postal Reform bill will require USPS to “separate” all retirement eligible employees prior to laying off any workers not yet eligible for a pension, and to “separate” the most senior of them first:
(II) the term ‘‘non-retirement-eligible employee’’ means an employee who is not a retirement-eligible employee.
(ii) GENERAL RULE.—A reduction in force under this subsection shall not result in the separation of any non-retirement-eligible employee before a retirement-eligible
employee.
(iii) LENGTH OF SERVICE.—In determining the order for the separation of competing retirement-eligible employees, individuals shall be separated in descending order based on length of service.
(E) SEVERANCE PAY.—A retirement-eligible employee who is separated pursuant to a reduction in force under this subsection shall not, by virtue of that separation, be eligible for any payment in the nature of severance pay.
(F) LIMITATION ON REEMPLOYMENT.—An employee described in subparagraph (D)(i)(I) who has been separated pursuant to a reduction in force under this subsection may not be offered reemployment in any position for which any employee, or former employee, of the Postal Service who is described in subparagraph (D)(i)(II)—
(i) has applied; and
(ii) is qualified and available.
(4) REGULATIONS.—Any regulations necessary to carry out this subsection shall be prescribed by the Office of Personnel Management not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
9-21-2011 “Subcommittee on Federal Workforce & U.S. Postal Service Business Meeting”.
Issa Amendment To Layoff Retirement Eligible Postal Employees
I would love to retire but I can’t afford to right now. I need to wait until I am at least 62 to get social security also. To the people here saying that older workers are slow slackers, I tell you that I can work circles around the younger people in my office. All they do is whine and cry about too much mail. They have no work ethics. Always calling in sick if they have a runny nose. They won’t go the extra mile for customer service.
It use to be employees with 6 years and under were the ones that were RIF 1st.
Why is that? And why did this change.I smell rat along with union, dont trust either side anymore.
Tell me why should Issa/Ross and the PMG care who gets RIF as long as its the number of employees they need to reduce?
So they won’t have to pay higher salaries or benefits? Yes
Is it discrimination? Yes.
Does this somehow have something to do with privatization down the road and they need the CSRS employees out of the way? Time will tell.
A smart proposal? No.. why… if i have to tell you then your just as F up in the head as they are.
One good thing? The hole world is now watching and can see just how low and cut throat we’ve become as a people.
Everybody yelling discrimination is a joke carrier?
Really?
Despite the number of baby boomers in the workforce, age discrimination remains a problem in many businesses. Many companies engage in deceitful and sometimes illegal practices to lay off or fire older workers so they won’t have to pay higher salaries or benefits. If you’re over 40 and feel you’ve been fired from your job due to your age, filing an age discrimination lawsuit may be your last resort.
Veterans’ Preference in Reduction in Force
Eligibility for Veterans’ Preference in RIF
RIF Retention Standing
Assignment Rights (Bump and Retreat)
Qualifications
Appeal of RIF Actions
Reemployment Priority for Separated Employees
Miscellaneous Provisions Pertaining to Veterans
Jobs Restricted to Preference Eligibles
Reinstatement
180-Day Restriction on DOD Employment of Military Retirees
Reduction of Military Retired Pay
Affirmative Action for Certain Veterans Under Title 38
opm.gov/staffingportal/vet guide.asp
Some infor that might help out vets?
It’s a very smart proposal. Everybody yelling discrimination is a joke. By that standard would’nt an incentive offer be a bribe? If you’re retirement elligible you’re probably CSRS and looking at a sweet retirenlment. Unless you spent a whole career whining and crying about the job that has made it possible for you to live your life in a comfortable way.
As for the union, don’t make me laugh. They will cut a deal just like they always do.
The morons that always kill management, have to consider one thing.
When it comes to retirement, they eat our lunch because of the top 3 salary.
Yeah!! I’d take some bullspit crying from morons like some on these pages to laugh at our 55,000 top salary. There really concerned about what we say.
Laughing all the way to the bank. Wish I knew then what I know now.
Oh yea i miss one little thing? My bad.
The job offer might be like 500 miles from your house?
So like if your from Long Beach CA. We may need you for only two hours a day to sort out some mail for the Navajo, its this small place in Monument Valley.
We did away with the 8 clicks also, so dont be late.
For the folks they want to make retire they should receive 80% and a tax free yr’s pay with a pat on the a$$ job well done.
Now on to someone elses turn 🙂
End the Federal Employees Retirement System, the step increases & colas.
3 days sick leave a yr, one week vacation time a yr… per managment appoval.
Split part time days off for everyone…see your supervisor for more details.
Since we dont need overtime and holiday kiss that goodbye to.
After a yr your fired.
Did i miss anything? breaks and wash up time? Dont even ask.
First they get rid of the retirement-eligible workers. Then they work the remaining’ YOUNGER” WORKFORCE PART TIME. DON”T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THE REMAINING WORKERS WON’T TAKE MASSIVE PAY AND BENEFIT CUTS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THEY’LL BE DOING TWICE THE WORK .LOOK AROUND YOU.SEE HOW FAST THE TEMPS WORK? THAT WILL BE THE NEW PACE. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THE WHITE PAGES GIVEN TO CONGRESS WEEKS AGO. GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA WHAT”S COMING DOWN THE PIKE. I”LL BE CALLING MY ATTORNEY IF THEY SHOVE ME OUT THE DOOR. AGE DISCRIMINATION AT IT”S FINEST.I SUGGEST EVERYONE DO THE SAME THING AND FILE AN EEOC COMPLAINT. AND THIS IS TO JOE MAMA___THE NRP PEOPLE CURRENTLY HAVE A NATIONAL CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED. AN ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE HAS ACCEPTED THIS CASE AND CLAIMS IT HAS MERIT AND IT WILL BE TRIED IN A COURT.THE POST OFFICE PULLED THE SAME STUNT IN 2003. IT WAS TRIED IN COURT.THE WORKERS WON THEIR CASE.THE JUDGE AWARDED 53 MILLION DOLLARS>THE ATTORNEYS GOT 8 MILLION DOLLARS. BUT THE POST OFFICE NEVER LEARNED FROM THIS LAWSUIT. NOW THEY ARE DOING IT ON A NATIONAL BASIS.THEY FIGURE THEY CAN PULL IT OFF. THIS MENTALITY IS WHAT IS RUINING THE POST OFFICE. THEIR ACTIONS AND ARROGANCE ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
First they get rid of the retirement-eligible workers. Then they work the remaining’ YOUNGER” WORKFORCE PART TIME. DON”T THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT THE REMAINING WORKERS WON’T TAKE MASSIVE PAY AND BENEFIT CUTS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THEY’LL BE DOING TWICE THE WORK .LOOK AROUND YOU.SEE HOW FAST THE TEMPS WORK? THAT WILL BE THE NEW PACE. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THE WHITE PAGES GIVEN TO CONGRESS WEEKS AGO. GIVES YOU A GOOD IDEA WHAT”S COMING DOWN THE PIKE. I”LL BE CALLING MY ATTORNEY IF THEY SHOVE ME OUT THE DOOR. AGE DISCRIMINATION AT IT”S FINEST.I SUGGEST EVERYONE DO THE SAME THING AND FILE AN EEOC COMPLAINT. AND THIS IS TO JOE MAMA___THE NRP PEOPLE CURRENTLY HAVE A NATIONAL CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT FILED. AN ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE HAS ACCEPTED THIS CASE AND CLAIMS IT HAS MERIT AND IT WILL BE TRIED IN A COURT.THE POST OFFICE PULLED THE SAME STUNT IN 2003. IT WAS TRIED IN COURT.THE WORKERS WON THEIR CASE.THE JUDGE AWARDED 53 MILLION DOLLARS>THE ATTORNEYS GOT 8 MILLION DOLLARS. BUT THE POST OFFICE NEVER LEARNED FROM THIS LAWSUIT. NOW THEY ARE DOING IT ON A NATIONAL BASIS.THEY FIGURE THEY CAN PULL IT OFF. THIS MENTALITY IS WHAT IS RUINING THE POST OFFICE. THEIR ACTIONS AND ARROGANCE ARE UNACCEPTABLE.
Keep voting Republican you fools. I am laughing so hard because too many idiots who work for the post office (here in AZ) love the republicans and specially the tea party. Well, you got what you voted for, so quit your bitching, because that tell me how stupid you are. And I am quite sure in the coming elections you still going to vote Repugblican as a token of appreciation for losing your benefits, your job and your dignity. You got what you deserve! Republicans main goal is to kill all the union and increase the slave nation without disregard of the color of your skin, no more middle class just rich and poor. “Stupid is what stupid does” Go Tea Party! Keep voting against yourself interests you friking morons!
You did your part veterans. Now it’s somebody else turn.
Issa its time for your white glove inspection,
Veterans been carrying your burdens for 200 plus years,now their going to get thrown under the bus again cause of some jackoffs? If we wish to stay working thats are right!
What have you contributed to commonsence?
What goes around comes around.
“Common sense is not so common.”
Walmart sucks
For the amount of works you contributed to the USPS, you should get paid no better than people who works for the Supermarkets or Walmarts. But yet the USPS gave you decent paid jobs, they carried your burden for 30 + years. You unwisely spent your money, did not save for the rainy day, that’s your own fault. Grow up.
Working tour 1 with thur/ fri off, tonite is my monday. You dont mind if i call in for the hole week? I could bring a note?On the other hand F bringing a note. They dont abide by their contracts or laws they sign.
I thought 1st class mail was protected by the Constitution? If so, they can’t privatize.
No one said you had to retire from working, you will just no longer work for USPS. They will either say “retire” or you will be moved to FERS. No chance of getting 80% there! Besides, when Congress is done, Will it really be a descent job to have?
What do you say we put it to the test ? This monday every employee with 15 plus yrs call in for 3 days sick,
Bout to head to work right now to put the old people on my back so I can get off at a decent time!
Hey old people stop whining about wanting hand outs from USPS. Most of y’all have drained this place by working like a slug. And as far as not having enough money to retire, well maybe you should have been thinking about retirement for the last 30 years and planned it better. It’s not hard to have a house payed off over a career or maybe have money saved up. To much living beyond your needs but now it’s the post offices fault cause u were dumb for 30 yrs.
It’s sad to know that, with a stroke of a pen, someone in government can uncaringly destroy livelihoods and put families in crisis. Not to mention affect a major nationwide workplace that the man knows zero about. And even if this ex-criminal is voted out later, the damage is still done. It’s not like things ‘go back to the way it was’ after he’s gone.
“Nevermind your soul. Keep it in the black.” – G. Carlin
For the person who mentioned being given a shovel and sent out back to start digging, that was done during the Holocaust, many Jews had to dig their own graves. And I believe during WWI black soldiers were forced to do the same before being hung, if they were court martialed. But I don’t think Issa is a Hitler.
“By faith Moses refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s …”
After nearly 100 yrs of public service, the postal service is about to become torn apart by republican who has no care for the postal service but only wants a piece of 67 billon dollar pie and they can own the piece such as private company.
For the senior employee who does not gainfully employed at all, I agree for the retirement eligible has to go first ,I know some of them will not agree and say I can still work like young employee,but if you really care about the postal service it is time to go now.
The postal service has been underated and non-competetive than private sector such as ups and fed-ex for a long time.
And I agree they been so generous with non profit mail which is does not increase any revenue also.
In addition, they been doing so much such a spending especially exchanging the new machine in uncertain future mail volume reality.
and the postal upper management has been paid more than 200 k,some of them gets paid more than a president obama.
it is a simple math,anybody knows you will be bankrupt if you spend more than you make,right?
now the postal service is a perfect example.
I respect all the postal employee who has been gainfully employed so far.
it is so real I can feel with my skin what is going to happen in next few years.
Even if some union spend the union money like water ,they blame each other now.
remember, the money itself does not take away your hapiness,but the one who spend unwisely does.
Life is like that. Whether you like it or not. New generation will thrive and the old ones will have to leave. Don’t you think your dad should die before you or you want to die before him?
Discrimination! Union Busting!
Do they remember when we went “Postal” ? I’m just waiting for this to happen again and surprised it has not yet.
Want to get rid of 50 percent of your employees? Give a fitness for duty test and a drug test. I work at an NDC. Between all 3 tours there is approximately 15 people who walk through the turnstiles with canes. These people can barely wipe their own asses let alone climb catwalks or ladders. I asked one of the old timers (76 year old MPE) why he don’t just retire. He said ” why would I retire and get 80 percent of my pay when I can come here and do nothing and get 100 pct “. The Post Office has become a welfare dispensory with a time clock.
Cant wait to stick my pitchfork where the sun dont shine Issa…BYOB.
I would like to retire when I am 66 but I am being sure what effect Obama’s health bills will have on premiums. Ohio will see an 85% in their health premiums due to Obama’s health plan. If we go to 5 day work week. rural carriers will have to put in for vac. at beginning of the year with no assurance that they will be able to get off when they want. If you are sick who will cover for you if we get rid of our rca’s.And the idiot who thinks whitey’s are all republicans. I vote for the best person for the job not what party he or she belongs to. In one way I am glad I can retire 2014 but then I would like to work at least another year to save more money for retirement. No all people of retirement age have the means to support themselves. You cant count on social insecurity either.
F-u Jay the realist You’re Darrell Issa The cross dressing FAGGOT that loves giving the people that made the post office a good f-ing. I want to know do you swallow for your friends so that you can be accepted.I bet you take facials and lick it all off. It’s people like me that have given you a future so that you can raise a family.
The majority of bills that OBAMA has tried to have passed have been knocked down by republicans. they want to make sure OBAMA is a one term president. OBAMA has done a lot, but they will not let AMERICA know. So what if he takes a vacation, the past pesidents took vacations all the time. People need to get out and vote for the right people – not these assholes aka issa and ross that have their own personal agenda. I bet a postal employee (mail or female or both)
have broken poor ISSA’s heart and balls. I bet he has a baby size wee wee.
That is why he is so uptight. he is compensating for what he is lacking. just saying!!!!!!
Good! Take your old asses home and go fishing, play with your grand kids HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wooo Wee, all of you ol’ farts thought you had it made and you were hanging on for some type of severance pay well now you know that’s not happening. I love it especially since most of you douche bags are Tea party folks and Republicans and the funny thing you all voted for the A-holes and this is what you got your vote!!!!! You reap what you sow!
Should we lay off people that r supporting a family, or the ones that would lose nothing more than the ability to work overtime. And laying off the younger workers is reverse age discrimination. How long are you going hold up a spot while people go jobless with families.
We postal workers; clerks, carriers, mail handlers and ETs should all be sticking together, not knocking each other down. We’re all in this together, because you young ones who think us “senior” ones are slackers and should be put out.. Guess what…you are next. And you may be on your own..no union protection at all.. if the Republicans have their way. Good luck!!!
THIS BUM IS THE BIGGEST COCKSUCKER OF ALL TIME. HE MUST OF DROPPED TOO MUCH ACID AS A KID. HE’S INSANE. LET HIM LAYOFF HIS DEAD MOTHER FIRST!!!
Employees young & old, you’re all in the same sinking boat. What they do to older employees, they will do to the young ones too. Everyone gets their turn to be ‘old’ – you will be old too, only if you’re fortunate to live that long, and forced off the job.
Politicians are crooks, only interest to line their own pockets, like Issa-ass. Don’t think that incompetent O-Bummer has your best interest for hopeless and change for the worse. His only interest is to raid what he can while in office,and take advancetage of all the freebies he can steal. using your tax dollars to fund vacations, with tag along granny, the so-called free loading baby sitter too.
No baby sitter is required on vacation…do you all take along a baby sitter when you go on vacations?????
Don’t compare Reagan’s and Bush’s vacations, they had their own ranch to go to, unlike the free loading O-Bummer family. Annoying man can’t even walk off and onto the plane in a non-ghetto way. Plain and simple, always ghetto, grew up that way. Not 1/2 white, never used the white-side of his brain, just fake story and he was adopted by some woman claiming to be white. Kenya boy – can’t be white.
Idiot o-bummer supporters, look what he has done for your future – dud, like ghetto land this country has become. Ghetto mentality, ghetto thinking to run this country into the ground. Don’t forget Billy boy Clinton. Everyone who wants to own a house, should be able to have a house. Sub-prime to illegals, take the money and run.
What are your union dues money doing for you?? Where are the unions now?? Can’t even find any news on the websites. Only sleepy Goofy-Guffey making a few comments of useless talk.
USPS is a fast sinking ship after Dona-ho do nothing fat man took over. You dues paying union members, better go find your local presidents and wake them up. Think someone is letting Goofy-Guffey sleep.
Legal or not, look at the N.R.P. – that was illegal too, but management got that illegal event going. So whatever Iss-ass does, it will not be good for anyone working.
Vote out Issa-ass.
Vote out O-bummer free loading incompetent man and family.
Unions save the employees – LOL, that’s what unions have become, useless.
give me $ 1000. per year of service and 6 years time added, and i will retire..
issa and ross are way out of line.
Many are working at the pace their body is lifeless and rigomortis has set in.
Employees that must work to have a life are not be given the opportunity as the eligible selfish are doing little work awaiting a buyout. Need 15 years to be eligible to retire. Need to continue to work for family needs. Forced retirement would benefit all employees as it would help maintain a useless extinct past need that no longer is needed and will not create revenue to maintain present services and employees. Eligible employees should retire to avoid layoffs as the need for present manpower no longer exist or will ever gain any momentumn in the 21st century. USPS present status is comparable to using a smoke signal in the 20th century or bthe INTERNET in the 21st century.
who ever thinks that you will get 100% for your unused sick leave is a dreamer
Mr. Issa…You can not touch Vietnam Vets!
By law, they stay. Your a politican, who doesn’t know the law. You better read-up quick.
I’m not a legal expert but.. Issa, listen up! There are supreme court decisions saying, you can not do this. Also there are Federal Laws saying you can not do this, LEGALLY!
If you try this and you “separate” all retirement eligible employees…they will sue the Federal Government DOUBLE what it cost to keep them. This will backfire!
Mr. Issa, you better get advice from the Supreme Court judges to see if its LEGAL, and ITS NOT. Already have cases won over age discrimintation.
What drugs is this cat on ? Next they’ll want to walk us out back and give us shovels and order ” Start digging ” . If you know what I mean .
Just noticed this quote from another related article. This guy needs to make up his mind. Say one thing, do something different.
“Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), co-sponsor of the GOP bill, later agreed. “The last thing I want to do is to tell permanent postal workers that we’re going to abruptly have them leave the service before they receive their full pension that they anticipate, and without any compensation.”
A heavy-handed draconian bill, even by Republican standards. According to the OPM handbook, an RIF entitles a qualified individual to severance pay. Then Issa’s bill comes along and negates that part? I understand that in his mind that person is eligible for retirement and doesn’t need the severance pay, but on the other hand the post office is forcing them out so they are entitled to it since some are still willing and able to work. This is beginning to feel very sci-fi. Older people being displaced and/or put down to make room for the next generation, rights bedamned. How very business-like.
We don’t need to read who he is he is showing what he is, take the “I”away from his name and turn those letters around and it shows who he is an “ASS”
After reading the bill proposed by Issa it is not only a travesty but down right unconstitutional. The Republican Party has become the “RETHUGLICAN PARTY” with a bunch of selfish and greedy bastards. For years they have threatened to privatize this institution and it looks as if they are going to get their wishes. Due to a problem that those same thugs have left this country facing: people losing their jobs, their homes, and barely making it from pay check to pay check because the taxes there are taking from us and lining their rich pockets are suffocating us. For those Rethuglicans on that sub-committee to vote yes to this bill is incomprehensible and goes to show how much empathy they have towards working stiffs like you and I. They would not like it if we demanded their removal from the House of Representatives because those old bastards have longevity in that branch of Government, then why because we have seniority we should be treated like yesterday’s garbage.
Since when have we lost our so-called democracy to make a choice? These Rethuglicans don’t give a shit if you keep your job or not, this has the earmark for the destruction of the first African American President and they are going to all extremes to make sure he becomes a one time President. It is time that we stop cleaning and eating the crumbs off their tables. It has become incumbent upon us that we follow Malcolm X “Any means necessary” rule to keep our jobs and send a message to those bastards that they cannot play with our livelihood. Encourage your friends and family to VOTE those bastards out of the House of Representatives. They sat and found ways to bail out Wall Street, Big Banks, and Insurance companies but don’t want to save our jobs.
Thank you OldbutAble.
We have a common enemy here people, and it isn’t each other. The sooner everyone figures that out, the better off we’ll be.
Google Issa’s biography. Issa has a very interesting past. I won’t repeat what I read because I don’t want to be sued for libel. Please read his biography
Syracuse NY plant.
From age 53 to approximately age 57 I have been presented with 2 fit for duty exams, a back to work agreement I felt I needed to sign regarding a junior employee, ( however I consider coercion, ) & 3 suspension letters. Does harassment enter into this category here? 2 suspension letters were overturned by arbitration, the 3rd was reduced to a letter of warning, & now gone. The worst part of a persons work life is at the very end, & now this employer is facing possible default & bankruptcy? What lucky sign was I born under? Issa bill is certainly age discrimination & smells of union busting.